bin laden concluded america was unserious with the course. three years later, we had 9/11. >> you have to ask the question, is limited punitive strike worse than doing nothing. i am not sure that's true. >> then there's the libya example, they sent in 110 tomahawk missiles, british and u.s. war ships, then there was a nato enforced fly zone for six months, which ended with a civil war with gadhafi being deposed. the problem with syria is more complicated because the rebel situation is more complicated. and you've got the potentially unsecure wmd of chemicals. >> we're going to continue this. final word on this topic? >> i think it is a question of are you serious or not. assad will understand it is a punitive strike, he emerges from the smoke essentially unhurt strategically, he wins this round. and it will have been for nothing and risking all of the things that nina talked about needlessly. >>> next up, continuing this topic, how to fight another war, and the push back coming not very loud but still coming. max and penny kept our bookstore